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I am always overwaed by the work ...Namaskar David.<br /><br />I am always overwaed by the work you are doing or rather, SriBhagavan is getting done through you. But it takes an able instrument, all the same.<br /><br />When you mentioned the felicity of the translations into Telegu, I felt deep gratitude for the excellent essays you have put out regarding Swami Ramanagiri, Sorupananda, Jnana Ammanai/Kumaradeva(?) and some others. Truly deep gratitude. The clarity of language is important.<br /><br />With regard to the Bangla translations of Sri Bhagavan's major works that are free online, I have to say that the language therein is peculiarly inaccessible. I love Bangla, am particularly proficient in all its forms, archaic to modern, and allegedly fluent in many forms of Vedic and Sanskrit, but the language in which these particular tracts are composed defeat me by their sheer inanity and clumsiness. They fail to express any sense or clarity of Sri Bhagavan's teachings.<br /><br />Had I the ability to correctly and succinctly phrase those teachings, I should have attempted a translation myself, but I dare not. Much nuance is missed and more is added, a process we term "ullanghana" when we attempt "anuvada". This is a clear and present danger, which led to the horrible consequences when Sanskrit Buddhist tracts were being translated and transliterated into Chinese at Khotan and similar central Asian sites.<br /><br />I pray that some group of spiritually worthy Bangalis might be sent by Sri Bhagavan to prepare clear and supple redactions of the versions we now have available. Namaskar.Gautamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15403888524028404746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-15875382525610431662014-12-24T14:58:47.669+05:302014-12-24T14:58:47.669+05:30This is from Guru Vachaka Kovai, verses 506-508, w...This is from Guru Vachaka Kovai, verses 506-508, with commentary:<br /><br />506 The supreme reality is being-consciousness-bliss. For the most highly qualified amongst those who ardently seek that reality in order to free themselves from the searing heat of birth, it is only through enquiry into the real nature of the jiva, which is indicated by the word ‘thou’ [in ‘That thou art’], that the glory of liberation will be attained.<br /><br />Sri Ramana says that, without [making] enquiry [into] the intended meaning of the term ‘That’ in the sentence, one should make a quest of the truth of the real Self, who is indicated by the term ‘Thou’.(Sri Ramanaparavidyopanishad, v. 501)<br /><br />While speaking to Mr. K. L. Sarma of Pudukotah, Sri Bhagavan said: ‘Leaving out what is intimate and immediate, why should one seek the rest? The scriptures say “That Thou art”. In this statement “Thou” is directly experienced; but leaving it out they go on seeking ‘That’!<br /><br />Question: In order to find the oneness of ‘That’ and of ‘Thou’.<br /><br />Bhagavan: ‘Thou’ is the inner Self immanent in all; in order to find the same, he leaves himself out and sees the world objectively. What is the world? What is immanent in it? It is ‘That’. All such ideas arise only on forgetting one’s own Self. I never bothered myself with such matters. Only after a time it occurred to me that men had investigated such matters.(Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, talk no. 639)<br /><br />507 You should know that it is only for those others with weak minds that the Vedas gave out the other words ‘Tat’ [That] and ‘asi’ [are] in order to turn those minds inward and make them favourably inclined towards that enquiry.<br /><br />508 The very nature of the enquiry into the import of the word ‘you’, conducted within oneself in an authentic way, is that it is the means for truly experiencing consciousness, which is understood through [scriptural] investigation to be the true significance of the other two words.<br />David Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-8361507891438156312014-12-24T14:54:43.545+05:302014-12-24T14:54:43.545+05:30Jai Ma.
Namaskar David,
It was very enjoyable le...Jai Ma.<br /><br />Namaskar David,<br /><br />It was very enjoyable learning how Bhagavan "became proficient" in Malayalam. One is always struck by how elegant and terse his Sanskrit compositions are, in the sutra style that is extremely difficult to generate. One hates to ever use the term "master" in connection witht eh Devabhasha. Since his Sanskrit compositions would be self-arisen, svayambhu, they are all the more precious. In this connection, one wonders where he picked up so much cooking expertise, e.g. the aubergine stems semi-charred in a cauldron, and the hundred other dishes! He left home very young and does not seem to have hung out with his mother or the older women in the kitchen as some boys do! Then came years spent in absorption, no kitchen in sight!!! The angelic Keerai Patti et.al. do not seem to have had much money or the resources to cook the range of dishes Bhagavan later excelled in, since he was climbing trees to get greens and she was collecting greens from the Hill. I have done exactly the same for my foster mother in my childhood in Bengal; the meals, while delicious, are frugal at best. Not much expertise is ever called for, with these materials, please trust me. As someone from Bengal, a region that has provided the famous eggplants for the Shivalli Brahmans of Guruvayoor, and as someone impoverished and now a plant scientist with a profound professional interest in eggplant with familiarity with over 3000 cultivars including the thorny types, I am a great fan of their cooking, including their stalks and receptacles. So I was quite bemused at the account of the charred preparation, because where on earth did he, a cave-dwelling sannyasi, discover something that I, obsessed with eggplants and their stalks, cannot even begin to imagine? This man has made me SO SAD! Beaten me at my own game! But seriously, where did he acquire the cooking skills. Sanskrit I understand, bodhija samjnana, but cooking itty-bitty stuff? I don't think even Lord Arunachala bothers with such!<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />gautam.gautamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188124842361333060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-67505231212536287652014-12-24T14:28:25.693+05:302014-12-24T14:28:25.693+05:30Jai Ma.
Namaskar David,
Thank you very much for...Jai Ma. <br /><br />Namaskar David,<br /><br />Thank you very much for all that you do and do so very well with the blessings of the Holy Guru. Even down to the astonishingly beautiful garden and flowering orchids at your house, another visible sign of Grace!<br /><br />May I be selfish and ask for your explanation of something my feeble mind finds difficult to understand? You have a handy knack for explaining difficult things, at least to my way of thinking. In the Guru Vachaka Kovai,under discussion here, there is a verse [142?] that dwells on TAT TVAM ASI, and Bhagavan's unique take on it.When I compare this with Verse 21 of UPADESHA SARAM, it appears that the TAT is being stressed in the latter and the TVAM in the former. Since I am not a sadhaka, lack inner illumination and any intellect, would you please offer some thoughts? I may have completely misunderstood the issue,in both texts,to begin with! With deep respect and gratitude, gautam.gautamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05188124842361333060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-36503280943551187672014-12-17T07:16:14.567+05:302014-12-17T07:16:14.567+05:30Nityanananda never met Bhagavan, so far as I know....Nityanananda never met Bhagavan, so far as I know.<br /><br />Bhagavan generally characterised the exprience of the Self as 'peace' stillness' 'happiness' rather than a term such as bliss. However, this does not mean that the accepted definition of ananda is wrong.David Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-56174418648889833282014-12-16T23:05:16.471+05:302014-12-16T23:05:16.471+05:30Hello David-James Swartz has said that the word &q...Hello David-James Swartz has said that the word "Ananda" has been improperly translated as Bliss, when it should have been translated as "Equanimity". He is saying that the Enlightened Sages, such as Sri Bhagwan Ramana Maharshi do not live in perpetual Bliss, but rather in a state of Equanimity. Is this true? And do you know if Bhagwan Nityananda ever met Sri Ramana Maharshi? Thank you. John RobertsonJohn Robertsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-38980125199635619112014-09-04T08:10:07.793+05:302014-09-04T08:10:07.793+05:30Hi Mehtab
If you email me at david_godman@yahoo.c...Hi Mehtab<br /><br />If you email me at david_godman@yahoo.co.uk I can give you a detailed reply on printing costs, and if you are interested in supporting various translations of Ramana texts, I can make suggestions.<br /><br />David GodmanDavid Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-18709706891334478512014-09-04T07:34:01.517+05:302014-09-04T07:34:01.517+05:30David,
Can you please let us know how much does it...David,<br />Can you please let us know how much does it cost in Indian Rupees to publish/print, say around 5000 copies of a book? Is that the same price for languages other than English? and What is the minimum quantity the printers expect us to order...<br /><br />mehtabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09413422704785169765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-13051286098410740082014-05-10T04:47:48.625+05:302014-05-10T04:47:48.625+05:30Hi David,
I'm curious as to your opinion of t...Hi David,<br /><br />I'm curious as to your opinion of the likelihood of an English translation of Sri Ramana Jnana Bodham appearing in the foreseeable future.<br /><br />Thank you...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-19749270241016732572014-02-26T16:04:05.335+05:302014-02-26T16:04:05.335+05:30One other question regarding Ramana's names:
...One other question regarding Ramana's names:<br /><br />Is Ramana a common dimninutive of Venkataraman?<br /><br />Also, interesting to read that the etymology of Venkataraman is Venkạteša, meaning Lord of Venkata hill; another holy hill although not beloved Arunachala.Merlynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-39929624038720923532014-02-26T14:57:20.532+05:302014-02-26T14:57:20.532+05:30Excellent, thank you for that David.
I guess the...Excellent, thank you for that David. <br /><br />I guess the letter 'n' at the end of Arunachula Ramanan in the introduction of 'Ramana Periya Purunam' was a typo then.<br /><br />But it is a fitting name for Bhagavan. Feels so much more true with Arunachula incorporated in the name as well.<br /><br />Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi is a beautiful name, but filled with three out of four honorific titles, it feels very much more a name (as it is) attributed by devotees than by Ramana himself.Merlynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-85239994270316958662014-02-26T09:45:00.974+05:302014-02-26T09:45:00.974+05:30Merlyn
Bhagavan learned Telugu from a Telugu-spea...Merlyn<br /><br />Bhagavan learned Telugu from a Telugu-speaking relative before he came to Tiruvannalai. He learned Malayalam from Palaniswami during the Virupaksha Cave era. This is Kunju Swami's version:<br /><br />'After returning to Virupaksha Cave Palaniswami would put the food aside and then read with great difficulty one chapter from the Malayalam version of Adhyatma Ramayana. He would only serve food to Sri Bhagavan after he had completed his reading. When Sri Bhagavan had eaten, he would eat whatever remained.<br /><br />'This Adhyatma Ramayana, composed by Thunjath Ramanujan Ezhutassan, generally regarded as the father of Malayalam literature, is held in great veneration in Kerala, Palaniswami’s home state. Pious people there read a part of it every day before eating their food.<br /><br />'As Sri Bhagavan became better known, devotees would come from town or further afield, and they too had to be fed. On such occasions, because of Palaniswami’s slow reading, they would be kept waiting for their food. Sri Bhagavan felt that it was not good to keep hungry people waiting. <br /><br />'With the idea of avoiding this inconvenience, he called to Sri Palaniswami one day, "Palaniswami, must you read this chapter yourself? Or will you be satisfied if you hear it read by someone else?"<br /><br />'Palaniswami replied, "It is enough if I hear it read".<br /><br />'The next day Sri Bhagavan took the book and asked Palaniswami to explain the sounds of the letters to him and found that most of the Malayalam script was a combination of Tamil and granta [a modified form of Tamil used for transliterating Sanskrit texts] characters, both of which were already known to him from his schooldays at Madurai. He learned from Palaniswami the few letters that he did not know and then began daily readings from the Adhyatma Ramayana. He mastered the script quickly and was able to read out portions of the book very fluently within three days.<br /><br />'His proficiency was not limited to reading. He mastered the language almost immediately, to the astonishment of everyone. Many natives of Kerala, when they came to the ashram, were taken aback on hearing him speak in faultless Malayalam. As his proficiency in reading Malayalam increased, Sri Bhagavan read other works in that language such as Yoga Vasishtam. He was so deeply moved by some passages in it, he often could not proceed with the reading. His identification with the characters was so complete, he forgot he was reading a book.'<br /><br />Bhagavan identified himself as 'Arunachala Ramana' in a verse he composed at Virupaksha Cave. He had been asked by a devotee, Amritanatha Yati, if he was an avatar of various specified gods. He replied:<br /><br />'In the recesses of the lotus-shaped hearts of all, beginning with Vishnu, there shines as absolute consciousness the Paramatman, who is the same as Arunachala Ramana. When the mind melts with love of him and reaches the inmost recess of the Heart wherein he dwells as the beloved, the subtle eye of pure intellect opens and he reveals himself as pure consciousness.'<br /><br />I saw this verse in a manuscript of Bhagavan's works that had been translated by Major Chadwick. At the time it was headed 'Stray Verse'. Bhagavan (who had been checking the manuscript) crossed out the title and replaced it with 'Arunachala Ramana'. Since the original question of Amritanatha Yatendra was 'Who are you Ramana?' this is Bhagavan saying that he is 'Arunachala Ramana' and defining exactly what he meant by that label.<br />David Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-77500499020167223142014-02-25T22:21:02.618+05:302014-02-25T22:21:02.618+05:30Hi David,
Firstly, thanks for writing this blog. ...Hi David,<br /><br />Firstly, thanks for writing this blog. It's a great source of information and I frequent it regularly.<br /><br />I have a few questions you may be able to answer about Bhagavan that aren't directly linked to your last post, if that's all right.<br /><br />I recently read in 'Ramana Periya Purunam' by V. Ganesan that Ramana learnt Malayalam from Palani Swami. I wonder if you could verify that? I also understand that Ramana spoke both Tamil and Telugu. Tamil was obviously his native tongue, but it would be interesting to know where and when he acquired Telugu?<br /><br />Another thing I read in 'Ramana Periya Purunam' by V. Ganesan was that Ramana rarely referred to himself, but in the few cases he did reveal his name, he named himself Arunachula Ramanan as opposed to Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi. Is this true? Is this his revealed name?<br /><br />Thanks in advance for any answers.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />MerlynMerlynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-71096577860210274272014-02-23T02:54:49.728+05:302014-02-23T02:54:49.728+05:30Sir,
One of my relatives is in Translation Busine...Sir,<br /> One of my relatives is in Translation Business.Any help from my side regarding English to French Translation.<br />My mail anusrinivas14@gmail.comsrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122020462005971819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-81375646000633650052014-02-08T08:15:50.970+05:302014-02-08T08:15:50.970+05:30very cool:)very cool:)Jordan Loderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854582597165195934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-88892977690382605532014-01-26T07:32:19.149+05:302014-01-26T07:32:19.149+05:30In Hyderabad, I bought a copy of the English Padam...In Hyderabad, I bought a copy of the English Padamalai a few years ago when it first came out in the Shri Ramana Kendram, which is on the Sivam Road, New Nallakunta (I beleive the area is called).<br /><br />Hope this helps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-49961366560330222252014-01-21T23:01:12.565+05:302014-01-21T23:01:12.565+05:30Dear Friends,
Can anyone please let me know any s...Dear Friends,<br /><br />Can anyone please let me know any store in Hyderabad where i can purchase Padamalai,English Version?<br /><br />Many Thanks!santhosh snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-34838341884562066962014-01-12T17:17:49.657+05:302014-01-12T17:17:49.657+05:30Sri
Email me at david_godman@yahoo.co.uk and we c...Sri<br /><br />Email me at david_godman@yahoo.co.uk and we can discuss the matter. I will also call you and let you know that my email address is posted here.<br /><br />David GodmanDavid Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-68428143355259865012014-01-11T18:25:52.477+05:302014-01-11T18:25:52.477+05:30Sri,
I have this book GVK in English; hundreds...Sri,<br /> I have this book GVK in English; hundreds of pages defining Truth.It seems as if the anti-climax is the intended climax.After reading a couple of hundred pages u wud be frustrated that it is same boring definition again and again and come to conclusion that Truth cannot be learnt from books and it is the same thing over and over again.So it is more of a Library Edition.<br /><br />It is better to sponsor books that describe the Life of Bhagawan like Power of Presence.<br /><br />Also I never believed in anything Free.Expensive Books that were given Free in a Monastery I binned them.Books on Plato and Socrates I am forcing myself to read because I paid for them.<br /><br />Temples are anyway flooded with Money these days.I wud suggest use the same money to buy food or medicines to the poorest in ur local village or town.Chakrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03564584607595615980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-65078854441275599132014-01-11T02:57:09.389+05:302014-01-11T02:57:09.389+05:30Sir,
I am in ready to sponsor for Rs 10,000/ f...Sir,<br /> I am in ready to sponsor for Rs 10,000/ for any project related to <br />Bhagavan.Please, contact me 09441481014,srinivasa rao v,khammam(A.P)<br />srihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122020462005971819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-42476865538704587762014-01-07T23:41:07.354+05:302014-01-07T23:41:07.354+05:30I don't ever recall reading any comments by Ni...I don't ever recall reading any comments by Nisargadatta about Ranjit Maharaj. Where can I find these comments? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-73975223069665229692014-01-06T11:53:29.688+05:302014-01-06T11:53:29.688+05:30Dear Anonymous, Is Ranjit Maharaj the real deal? W...Dear Anonymous, Is Ranjit Maharaj the real deal? Well unfortunately Ranjit passed away quite a few years ago. I have a good friend who went to visit him and she was suitably impressed. There's little else I can really add to this except to say Nisargadatta thought very highly of him which speaks for itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-517679538334149902014-01-06T05:55:57.970+05:302014-01-06T05:55:57.970+05:30David, anyone, what can you tell me about Ranjit M...David, anyone, what can you tell me about Ranjit Maharaj? I only became aware of him recently. Is he the real deal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-81878093384383143852013-12-19T14:01:56.626+05:302013-12-19T14:01:56.626+05:30Hi,
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