tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post803325790441141111..comments2024-03-20T13:24:11.422+05:30Comments on Arunachala and Ramana Maharshi: Ulladu Narpadu KalivenbaDavid Godmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-40297397902883246892014-09-21T12:30:47.648+05:302014-09-21T12:30:47.648+05:30Hello,
In this translation, verse 4, we can read ...Hello,<br /><br />In this translation, verse 4, we can read : "... Can the sight [the seer] be otherwise than the eye [the seer]? ..."<br />David, don't you think there is a mistake in the translation of this verse ? Will it be not more accurate to write the sight is "the seen" and not "the seer" ?<br />Bye!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-15478245909343832032008-06-01T10:40:00.000+05:302008-06-01T10:40:00.000+05:30Oh, thanks for directing me to that. Between your ...Oh, thanks for directing me to that. Between your posting and the comments that followed, all my questions were answered. It looks like I missed a good discussion.Jupeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562814002037188693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-33373643946686603482008-06-01T07:51:00.000+05:302008-06-01T07:51:00.000+05:30I discussed this topic, and in particular this ver...I discussed this topic, and in particular this verse, in a post last month entitled 'God the Script Writer'.<BR/><BR/>In brief, though, prarabdha karma pertains to the body. There is a predestined script that the body has to undergo, a script that has been issued by Iswara, the ordainer. If you identify with a body, there are destined actions for you. However, if you give up identification with the body and abide as the Self, you transcend both the prarabdha karma and the ordainer who allots it.David Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-15547481975808460572008-06-01T01:13:00.000+05:302008-06-01T01:13:00.000+05:30As I was reading through Ulladu Narpadu Kalivenba ...As I was reading through Ulladu Narpadu Kalivenba I came to #19, the one on fate and free-will, and an old question popped up. Before I go on, here's the verse:<BR/><BR/>19<BR/>The argument as to which wins, fate or free-will, which are different from each other, is only for those who do not have knowledge of the root of fate and free-will [namely the ego, which is itself unreal]. Those who have known [the non-existence of] the self [the ego self], which is the one base of fate and free-will, have given them up [i.e. have given up both fate and free-will, and also the argument about them]. Say, will they get entangled in them again?<BR/><BR/>I understand that fate and free-will are dyads and therefore a result of the ego and not "real". However, the following quote, from a note Bhagavan wrote to his mother in 1898, as well as other things I have read, makes it seem like Bhagavan tended towards the destiny view of the way life unfolds. Here's the quote:<BR/><BR/>The ordainer [God] controls the fate of souls in accordance with their past deeds – their prarabdha karma. Whatever is destined not to happen will not happen – try how hard you may. Whatever is destined to happen will happen, do what you may to stop it. This is certain. The best course, therefore, is for one to be silent.<BR/><BR/>David, could you respond to this and clarify? Thanks!Jupeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562814002037188693noreply@blogger.com