tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post664576973251063264..comments2024-03-20T13:24:11.422+05:30Comments on Arunachala and Ramana Maharshi: Open ThreadDavid Godmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comBlogger120125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-24276300535008229662010-11-17T08:56:10.837+05:302010-11-17T08:56:10.837+05:30.To all german readers: The translation of Vasisth....<br><br>To all german readers: The translation of Vasisthas' Yoga by Swami Venkatesananda is finished (although proofreading is still needed). This translation has 790 pages (4.65 MB).<br><br>The permission to publish is pending.<br><br>This is a protected link at SCRIBD to have a look on this work (for private use only):<br><br><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/6102977/Yoga-Vasistha?secret_password=11mtn3i9mlmyks38e8w4" rel="nofollow">Yoga Vasistha at SRIBD.com</a>.Clemens Vargas Ramoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07193114321240935018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-16446272111322811632010-11-17T08:56:10.548+05:302010-11-17T08:56:10.548+05:30Artist formerly known as Scott Fraundorf;I was wat...Artist formerly known as Scott Fraundorf;<br><br>I was watching on Youtube, dialogues between U.G. Krishnamurti, and Byron Katie, essentially both Self-Realized, I accept non-skeptically. Krishnamurti, while in use of language, says something different from Ramana, I don't think in meaning, he differs at all, coming from experience. For instance, he seems to be questioning, deconstructing, tearing apart, what is lower case knowledge, lower case truth, things that are thought, respect for gurus, because they claim to be "enlightened". But at the same time, clearly the state he points to, is the same Truth, Knowledge. He just doesn't like to use those words, because of their normal association with something verbal, something thought. But to Ramana, the kind of Knowledge he experienced, Self-Knowledge, is absolute egoic silence, without a trace of thought, sithout a trace of differentiation. When U.G. says, there is no difference between me and that sewer rat, or that tree, he is saying something timeless, reiterated time and time again, which was also said by Ramana. Also even though he tears down, so to speak, the guru-devotee relationship, that Realization can be something given from a guru. His disagreement seems to be with egoic-based thinking, which accepts some lower case doctrinal truth. My understanding of a sadguru, is not referring to formalities, whether it takes on those forms or not, but association with someone who is non-differentiated egoless, not to have it transferred, but because then our identity, individual, differentiated ego-fulness is cut down by the discrimination. I saw that same process around U.G. Krishnamurti, around Byron Katie with her four questions. When Byron Katie talked, in some of the Youtube videos, it sounded remarkably like Talks wtih Ramana Maharshi. No admittance of problems, because they are seen to be utterly unreal, even talking to war victims, and perpetrators, she doesn't accept, or admit of that the problems, traumas or anything other then mental, a rejection of the grace. Preferring some Vasana to grace.Losing M. Mindhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08593870441560584967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-83588397222494044212010-11-17T08:56:08.721+05:302010-11-17T08:56:08.721+05:30Dear David,(and anyone else who may know),Did Rama...Dear David,<br><br>(and anyone else who may know),<br><br>Did Ramana ever discuss his position on the subject of the divinity of Jesus Christ? If so, what was it?<br><br>Thank You,<br>Regards,<br>Mar.<br>maruta_ananda@yahoo.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-38264100637372780512010-11-17T08:56:08.549+05:302010-11-17T08:56:08.549+05:30Anonymous Wrote:Do Christians ask about Sri Ramana...Anonymous Wrote:Do Christians ask about Sri Ramana<br>Maharshi's divinity or greatness?<br><br>.........<br><br>Ask some Christians...........<br><br><br>who have heard of Ramana ...for your truest answer.Bookwormhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00859175677786233955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-23280028842979112792010-11-17T08:56:06.947+05:302010-11-17T08:56:06.947+05:30.MURALI - ...accept and see without any trace of d....<br><i>MURALI - ...accept and see without any trace of doubt or reaction, that whatever has happened up to the present moment is only through God's injunction...</i>Yes, that corresponds to the "second way":<br><br>GEMS FROM BHAGAVAN:<br><br>"There are only two ways to conquer destiny or be independent of it. One is to enquire for whom is this destiny,and discover that only the ego is bound by destiny and not the Self, and that the ego is non-existent.<br><br>The other way is to kill the ego by completely surrendering to the Lord, by realizing one’s helplessness and saying all the time, ‘Not I, but Thou Oh Lord’ and giving up all sense of ‘I’ and ‘mine’, and leaving it to the Lord to do what he likes with you. Complete effacement of the ego is necessary to conquer destiny, whether you achieve this effacement through Self enquiry or <i>bhakti marga</i> (path of devotion)."<br>.Clemens Vargas Ramoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07193114321240935018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-90305946360345294912010-11-17T08:56:06.429+05:302010-11-17T08:56:06.429+05:30@ Bookworm,Does it matter?@ Bookworm,<br><br>Does it matter?Nandu Narasimhanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18017383698302259046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-40893726181151075252010-11-17T08:56:06.117+05:302010-11-17T08:56:06.117+05:30Nandu Narasimhan you ask: Does it matter?....Yes, ...Nandu Narasimhan you ask: Does it matter?<br><br>....<br><br>Yes, very much so.Bookwormhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00859175677786233955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-13267813230411712262010-11-17T08:56:05.716+05:302010-11-17T08:56:05.716+05:30Losing M. Mind says:'he was an excellent shot,...Losing M. Mind says:<br>'he was an excellent shot, and that being Enlightened from age 6 onwards after'<br>...<br><br>M... How do yo kmow that Papaji was 'enlightened' from the age of 6?Bookwormhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00859175677786233955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-13375614502966285282010-11-17T08:56:05.156+05:302010-11-17T08:56:05.156+05:30"M... How do yo kmow that Papaji was 'enl..."M... How do yo kmow that Papaji was 'enlightened' from the age of 6?"<br><br>Bookworm Maharshi III, because I'm taking his word for it, and in Nothing Ever Happened Part I, he talks about how he Realized the Self after his mother offered him a mango drink which he refused. His family convinced him it was because of Krishna and that he should take up being a Krishna bhakta. Maharshi, told him to look for the seer instead of an external god. You know the story. I take him at his word. Do I know that Papaji was Enlightened from age 6? no, I'm not him, but that is what he said.Losing M. Mindhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08593870441560584967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-24359746852520848082010-11-17T08:56:04.817+05:302010-11-17T08:56:04.817+05:30Anonymous says:The simplicity and ordinariness of ...Anonymous says:<br><br><br>The simplicity and ordinariness of Zen has been an enduring love-affair, <br>but Ramana’s teachings . . . . what can I say without spoiling them?<br><br>....<br><br>'I am going back to Zen'Bookwormhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00859175677786233955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-84652420040276607982010-11-17T08:56:03.313+05:302010-11-17T08:56:03.313+05:30David,It's been a long time. How are you? How ...David,<br>It's been a long time. How are you? How was your trip to England? Please post something, anything. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-51515535059080191312010-11-17T08:56:01.962+05:302010-11-17T08:56:01.962+05:30Hello Clemens..You say:'"When all the tie...Hello Clemens..You say:<br><br>'"When all the ties of the heart are cut asunder here, then the 'mortal becomes' immortal. Such is the teaching."<br>Katha Upanishad, II-3, 15'<br><br>......<br>Surely what is 'immortal' is ..Always..'immortal?'<br>Surely it does it does not<br>..Become.. 'immortal?'Bookwormhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00859175677786233955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-11668999342420452882010-11-17T08:56:01.098+05:302010-11-17T08:56:01.098+05:30.... Losing M. Mind Wrote: Shankara's commenta....<br><br><i>... Losing M. Mind Wrote: Shankara's commentary on verse: ...</i><br><br>Where can I find Shankaras comments on Katha Upanishad, <i>Losing M. Mind</i>? I only have Swami Nikhilanandas summaries of them.<br><br>.Clemens Vargas Ramoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07193114321240935018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-8679447707647422942010-11-17T08:56:00.457+05:302010-11-17T08:56:00.457+05:30Is staying with the "I" anotherword for ...Is staying with the "I" another<br>word for awareness, just being in the here and now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-38260834779133925362010-11-17T08:55:59.927+05:302010-11-17T08:55:59.927+05:30"Hello Losing M.Mind or M. for short. You say..."Hello Losing M.Mind or M. for short. You say:<br>'couldn't it be said, maybe that the commentary on that verse was written by Maharshi (lol)"<br><br>That was good! Took me a second.Losing M. Mindhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08593870441560584967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-55260669226579544982010-11-17T08:55:59.742+05:302010-11-17T08:55:59.742+05:30Losing M. MindUG Khrishetc: You already know it. D...Losing M. Mind<br>UG Khrishetc: You already know it. Don't tell me that you don't. There is no such thing as truth at all.<br><br><br>M. It is just a quote from some<br>desd guruish type of person.<br><br>We are truth, all of us, it is the self we truly are, it is the Heart and is Love <br><br>He was probably having a bad day.Bookwormhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00859175677786233955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-27363645668363207812010-11-17T08:55:58.584+05:302010-11-17T08:55:58.584+05:30I was blessed to visit Skandashram & Virupaksh...I was blessed to visit Skandashram & Virupaksha cave last saturday. Sheer Bliss!!sDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16207857178499267076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-54697694446942264302010-11-17T08:55:57.734+05:302010-11-17T08:55:57.734+05:30This is with reference to what Sankar had mentione...This is with reference to what Sankar had mentioned. <br>Yes the saint is Ramana Giri and he is from Sweden.<br>He attained jeeva Samadhi at KUTLADAMPATTI - 25kms from Madurai. He was given dikshna by Bhagwan Ramana..<br>If itnersted you can visit this URL<br>http://www.sriramanagiriswamigal.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-11929824405534881622010-01-31T22:04:44.664+05:302010-01-31T22:04:44.664+05:30I recently visited Ramana ashram and bought a few ...I recently visited Ramana ashram and bought a few old numbers of the Mountain Path, today I was reading an article about Swami Ramanagiri and was somehow touched by the simplicity it transmitted as well as by the picture attached to it. It is found in a number of the year 1977, July, in page 167, written by K.C.Sastri. It is not too long, just a page, most information is already mentioned by you but there is something of his childhood in it. Since in your info it is stated that you live in Tiruvannamalai it must be easy for you to check out. Maybe this information is of interest to you.carolinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-79417896551196873932009-10-21T12:40:38.304+05:302009-10-21T12:40:38.304+05:30This is with reference to what Sankar had mentione...This is with reference to what Sankar had mentioned. <br />Yes the saint is Ramana Giri and he is from Sweden.<br />He attained jeeva Samadhi at KUTLADAMPATTI - 25kms from Madurai. He was given dikshna by Bhagwan Ramana..<br />If itnersted you can visit this URL<br />http://www.sriramanagiriswamigal.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-75995686449950220372009-09-11T06:01:57.567+05:302009-09-11T06:01:57.567+05:30Scott,
"For myself, I have to say no one has ...Scott,<br />"For myself, I have to say no one has responded so much to my mad rambling e-mails, and so selflessly with nothing in it for them.(and he has parkinsons disease--his left hand shakes and he responds anyway) "<br />Wonderful to read your post.To be sensitive and Grateful is a clear sign of Progress.<br />Wish you the very Best.<br />Namaskar.Ravihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-42073524547202424602009-09-10T19:35:39.062+05:302009-09-10T19:35:39.062+05:30I am amazed by the coincidence.I had been wanting ...I am amazed by the coincidence.I had been wanting more information on Maurice Frydman, since I heard him mentioned in many accounts connected with Bhagwan.Maggie,his daughter was my room mate in 1972 at CMC Vellore.I had met Maurice & Hilla((who knew my father ) at the time, along with Dorab.I knew nothing of Bhagwan or of Mr Cohen who was Maggie local guardian.I had an uplifting experience in 1971 when I read " I am God. There is no other " in Isaiah 45.Only now is the true import of those words fully comprehended;Bhagwans who am i enquiry reveals The Truth.tusnatusnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-75392706024580656742009-09-08T08:17:02.801+05:302009-09-08T08:17:02.801+05:30Another person on guru ratings claimed that he wro...Another person on guru ratings claimed that he wrote flirtatious letters to lure in womenn and sexually use them. I found his letters and still do, so kind that I even feel as a straight male some infatuation. And I would imagine that in interaction with Self-Realized people's egos can go kind of haywire, and infatuation too. I have no idea what is true or not true as far as what is claimed because I wasn't there, and am not going to presume to know. But I've experienced abusive people, manipulative peole in my life, who have taken advantage of me with Asperger's, I've grown weary enough to recognize the signs. I would say that Nome is the least abusive, least manipulative person I've ever met with no reservations. One devotee, who as far as I know is hte only one who has realized the Self, Cee at presentnonexistence.org and does great artwork about Self-Realization said that Nome was the greatest teacher in the Western World. I have no hesitancy in saying that, taht appears to be true. This isn't to convert anyone, but this is my experience. And you asked about worthy Self-Realized saints/sages. I believe Nome is one.Losing M. Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08593870441560584967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-81913736583847040042009-09-08T08:16:27.925+05:302009-09-08T08:16:27.925+05:30David godman's discretion can decide whether t...David godman's discretion can decide whether this gets posted or not. (I trust his discretion which is better then mine, but if nothing else, maybe he'll find it enjoyable--lol). I quote Nome, because Nome was really how I got exposed to Ramana Maharshi. Although he has never overtly called himself Self-Realized, I had an incredibly deep experience even going in jaded about the environment at society of abidance in truth (SAT) the first time. "oh please, can I go now?" I don't live in Santa Cruz, but after a year and a half struggling with inquiry, I had really deep experiences everytime I watched a video of Nome. I did not have this experience with new age neo-advaitins. This prompted me even though I somewhat believed the claims at guru ratings (I'm a curious person) to write him. There was a strong grace, and wisdom in his responses. And he didn't give pat neo-advaita answers, but tailored responses. and he sometimes gave strong, almost harsh advise for instance with guilt he said that the self-definitions responsible for delusive actions should be destroyed. Anyway I've gone to Society of abidance in truth this summer, and had incredible grace experiences in his presence. And I have to say, contrary to all those claims on guru ratings (true or not, I have no idea), he was incredibly unassuming, almost shy, and kind everytime I encountered him outside of satsang. And there wasn't any kind of pretention. (jeans, and casual shirts, unassuming, very nice) I talked to old devotees, who all put me in a deep state of non-doership just by being around them, and there were some interesting stories. The believable to my satisfaction idea of how everything transpired was that Nome was not in a state where he would tell people to go away, and so some of hte people who associated with him were not necessarily the nicest people. But he didn't show preference to people. That makes sense in light of his treatment to me. one old devotee who took me shopping and was incredibly kind, and had known nome since both were in their teens, said nome has always been like this. he compared the situation with Nome and the disreputable characters who hung around with him to be like sages in india who were murdered by greedy devotees. For myself, I have to say no one has responded so much to my mad rambling e-mails, and so selflessly with nothing in it for them.(and he has parkinsons disease--his left hand shakes and he responds anyway) Evidently after smoe of the more disreputable element left angrily and on bad terms with everyone else (years ago), the claims on guru ratins are not true about donations at this point. No one even sees whether you give donations and often I didn't or just a few bucks. Nome has such a live and let live quality to him, that it really seems to me anyway that everything done around there is done by grace. I've had spectacular visions in nome's presence, and people on guru ratings were claiming he has a spy network, and it's possible that the "bad" people did. (lol). But Nome responded often in kind gesture or word to what I was thinking not what I said. so there was a genuine psychicness that I experienced from him.Losing M. Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08593870441560584967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-19717157504466950272009-08-10T06:44:49.853+05:302009-08-10T06:44:49.853+05:30If SELF alone is, there is really no world and jiv...If SELF alone is, there is really no world and jiva and god even as maya.<br /><br />Is it right understandeing of Sri Ramana ajata teaching?shibanoreply@blogger.com