tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post5453954270081051242..comments2024-03-20T13:24:11.422+05:30Comments on Arunachala and Ramana Maharshi: Tattuvaraya: Amrita SaramDavid Godmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-8936209779719296382011-05-25T20:17:45.492+05:302011-05-25T20:17:45.492+05:30Amrita Saram - incompetent gurus:
Tattuvarayar sp...Amrita Saram - incompetent gurus:<br /><br />Tattuvarayar speaks with some unheard of similes. Like obtaining pregnancy through intercourse in dream, making a cloth out of hair of sea turtle, horn with hare's horn, and fighting fire with firefly. KaNNudaiya VaLLalar in Ozhivil Odukkam says that such an incompetent guru is like a blind man leading a blind man [disciple]. Tirumular says some milder similes in Tantra 7. I have given some verses in Open Thread.<br /><br />I remember McIver going to some guru who in turn caused Arthur Osborne [who did not want to go to him] great difficulties on a evening, when he was working in the garden. The incident is fearsome and horripilating. Arthur just chanted Arunachala Siva, Arunachala Siva, the all-cure mantra, which drove away the inexplicable animal or a ghost, which was sitting on his neck with immense weight and Arthur began to gasp for breath after some time. After the mantra chanting, the said creature left him and disappeared. Arthur reported this to Sri Bhagavan and He said, 'they will do only such things.'Subramanian. Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503810836611357841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-69017219456852610722011-05-24T20:51:31.876+05:302011-05-24T20:51:31.876+05:30Amrita Saram - Verse 9:
That which is rare....
S...Amrita Saram - Verse 9:<br /><br />That which is rare....<br /><br />Sri Sankara's [and Sri Bhagavan's<br />Tamizh prose translation] begins like this only:<br /><br />It is indeed very difficult to obtain a human body. Even though one does, it is very difficult to become a brahmin [Sri Bhagavan's meaning of brahmin is different; it is not caste]. Even if one becomes one, it is still moe difficult to walk in the path of Vaidika dharma, in which Vedas are chanted. Still more difficult is to become a perfect scholar, and more difficult again to undertake enquiry into the Self and the non-<br />Self. Yet more difficult than all this is to obtain wisdom born of the experience of the Self. Liberation in the form of abidance as the Self, born of that wisdom, is not to be attained except as a result of righteous actions perfomred through crores of births. However, even though all the above qualifications may not be obtained, liberation is assured through the grace of the Lord, if only three conditions are obtained: that is a human birth, intense desire for liberation, and association with sages.Subramanian. Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503810836611357841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-36279978886536650402011-05-24T20:40:31.723+05:302011-05-24T20:40:31.723+05:30Amrita Saram - Verse 1:
Sourpan's golden feet...Amrita Saram - Verse 1:<br /><br />Sourpan's golden feet is unattainable even by gods.<br /><br />I find comparison in Padamalai<br />Verses 826 and 1273: [Page 185<br />of David Godman's English translation.<br /><br /><br />826: The truth one oneself, which shines as the nearest of the near, is itself attita [the transcendental state] that is beyond the utmost beyond.<br /><br />1273: Those who dwell in the trsanscedental state, will surpass even the gods, and will exercise their rule over the all pervading esplendent kingdom of heaven [Parandama].Subramanian. Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503810836611357841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-58376270854393312542011-05-21T22:05:20.484+05:302011-05-21T22:05:20.484+05:30Yes Yes I agree. As soon as I wrote it I understoo...Yes Yes I agree. As soon as I wrote it I understood the mistake.I am the body is the primal ignorance on top of which all other ignorance sits.Eeshwara and Karma are for those who know it and on top of 'I am the body'.Although I do not like the use of the word 'Ignorance' there is no other way of conveying the paradox and that is the convention.But they all do arise and dissolve'Simultaneously' i.e 'I am Body' and 'Karma' arise simultaneously.<br /><br />-zAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-15983490660926881782011-05-21T10:28:45.392+05:302011-05-21T10:28:45.392+05:30Dear David,
Yes. This is what Anon., asked in the...Dear David,<br /><br />Yes. This is what Anon., asked in the previous part. GVK 1146 and Sri Bhagavan's Upadesa Manjari also explain the same thing. I understood it only after seeing<br />Anon.,'s postSubramanian. Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503810836611357841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-17304016354299533402011-05-21T08:43:26.043+05:302011-05-21T08:43:26.043+05:30Subramanian
Regarding the 'prarabdha is ignor...Subramanian<br /><br />Regarding the 'prarabdha is ignorance' idea, prarabdha pertains to the body and not to the Self. The 'I am the body' idea is the fundamental ignorance. 'I have prarabdha' is the idea that grows out of the underlying ignorant assumption that one is a body in the first place. It is in this sense that prarabdha is deemed to be ignorance.David Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-72967969881104174342011-05-20T16:51:05.320+05:302011-05-20T16:51:05.320+05:30Dear David,
I completed Amrita Saram. Verse 16sp...Dear David,<br /><br />I completed Amrita Saram. Verse 16speaks about those who revile Jnanis. They are the worst sinners.<br />I remembered Perumal Swami. He suffered towards the end of his life and told Sri Bhagavan that he should forgive him. He also added that he was sure to go to hell. Sri Bhagavan said: "I have already forgiven you but have not forgotten you. Even if you go to hell, I shall be there with you." <br /><br />Verse 80. Prarabdha is only out of ignorance. This is a new idea. I should still ponder over it.<br /><br />Verse 148, on Tattvas. Sri Bhagavan has also said to Sivaprakasam Pillai: Instead of throwing away all the tattvas as a garbage, who will investigate the garbage that is hiding one?<br /><br />All Brahma Jnanis think and write alike.Subramanian. Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503810836611357841noreply@blogger.com