tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post1456351182308315698..comments2024-03-20T13:24:11.422+05:30Comments on Arunachala and Ramana Maharshi: Interview with Sadhu OmDavid Godmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-49317514454077831002016-04-13T22:50:54.899+05:302016-04-13T22:50:54.899+05:30Thank you David ji. After reading your book 'B...Thank you David ji. After reading your book 'Be as you are'. I have found an easier way to do enquiry. To concentrate on the I thought to the exclusion of all else is given by Bhagawan as compiled by you in your book . I feel the snake would change into the rope now maheshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07814195115035171955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-63734903953795080382014-06-10T15:53:57.765+05:302014-06-10T15:53:57.765+05:30The term 'Paradesi,' also may have the con...The term 'Paradesi,' also may have the connotation of one transcending all the ashramas. The etymological meaning should be only that. Its meaning has been distorted referring to sadus in a derogatory sense. It isn't correct to say that Bhagavan belongs to the ashram. Only his ignorant followers confounding him to be an ordinary Sadu have imposed that limitation on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-76218671772106645822012-06-24T15:17:55.425+05:302012-06-24T15:17:55.425+05:30About meditating on the "I", i suggest t...About meditating on the "I", i suggest that one thinks of his state prior to the time when he knew any language.If one does not know any language like at the age of 1 or 2 years then obviously....one cannot think as thinking involves mental conversation with oneself in some language known to the thinker.So basically when we were infants...possibly we were in that thoughtless awareness state...but did not know it.So we can reach that state now using the same way...by stopping thinking altogether.If one breathes slowly,his mind slows down, and then one can concentrate on his own presence.It may also happen that one may not breathe for quite some time when keenly attending his own presence.I did this for sometime and u feel an intense peace dwelling inside you.And you wont feel the "I"...but just a presence which is there inside the bag of skin....possibly practicing it more might make one oblivious of the bag of skin and also any perceptions by it....this cannot be put in words as....the feeling of presence is before the words...even thoughts....basically...i shud be present before i think...or speak...so concentrating on one's own presence might be helpful.Not thinking about one's presence...just being it in our free time....no words or mental chatter even about our own presence shud be there...bcoz that implies that the mind is working...Ramana Maharshi's teaching of silence really works when applied carefully...When the mind is silent during sleep or intense shock...then we are in the true presence state...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-661013939529655942012-05-18T00:06:48.851+05:302012-05-18T00:06:48.851+05:30Ramesh Nagarajan
It is interesting how you fou...Ramesh Nagarajan<br /><br /> It is interesting how you found Tamil movie love songs can be used to remember Him (Self).<br /><br /> It is 2004 I am traveling to Annamalai in a local bus and trying to see the Seer and the video is blaring movie songs. In a moment, I discovered that every lyric was a longing that I could use to deepen my longing to be the Self, instead of being seen as a distraction. The very next day I read in Advaita Bodha deepika something along the line of 'If the world is Self, why need to look away from it?' and in Ramana's translation of Drik Drishya viveka the nuance that one should continue to hold on to Self when the eyes are open, the ears are hearing and mind is thinking.<br /> <br /> Nice to see your words along the same line<br /><br />Thanks for sharing.<br />Ravi AnnaswamyRavi Annaswamynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-24471296070664854662012-04-28T19:56:37.726+05:302012-04-28T19:56:37.726+05:30How did Sadhu Om come by his name? Thank you.How did Sadhu Om come by his name? Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-12997667281795474252010-11-17T09:07:10.096+05:302010-11-17T09:07:10.096+05:30Dear அவனடிமைThank you for a very clear answer.Yes....Dear அவனடிமை<br><br>Thank you for a very clear answer.<br><br>Yes...Lovenonduelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02413345045343092614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-21182361577160808692010-11-17T09:07:08.151+05:302010-11-17T09:07:08.151+05:30//"from whence does it come?"// - where ...//"from whence does it come?"// - <br>where the it refers to the 'I' thought is the last question <br>where enquiry (which the mind does) ends; <br><br>alternatively put, the enquiry concludes at the end of the last question in this series:<br>Q: "who is getting this thought" ?<br>A: " I am getting this thought"<br>Q: "Who is this I" ?<br><br>Once this last question is posed (internally), the enquiry ends, because the correct answer to the last question would be a mere silence and beyond that there cannot be any inquiry or searching. <br><br>One has to remain in this silence for the Self to reveal by itself. <br><br>(In other words 'adimai' or the ego 'I' cannot and will not find 'avan' - or 'that' or 'Him'; <br><br>'That' will reveal by Itself to Itself and there will not be an 'I' then)<br><br>(please note the incorrect answers to the last question can be of the type:<br>'I, avanadimai (the name of the person)' OR <br>'I, this body', OR <br>'I, this mind'). <br><br>The incorrect answers are incorrect because they can be followed by another Question like 'oh, if 'I' is the mind, who is knowing it'? and this question would have an answer : 'I am knowing the mind' which will be followed by yet another question: 'then who is this I am'? <br><br>Thus enquiry ends when one comes to the final question which a mind/ego is capable of posing to itself : 'who is this I' or 'where is this I coming from' ? and is incapable of answering it iteself correctly.<br><br>There is no searching or enquiry possible after this and hence "staying in full attention and alertness to 'I' feeling in total silence" is all that is needed. <br><br>However, depending on the vaasanas (or tendencies) of the ego, more and more thoughts are likely to come up ("oh I need to go take care of this", "oh, I forgot about this" etc.) and hence, if the mind remembers, it will have to get back to its inquiry mode when it catches itself 'napping'.<br><br>Full alertness and being-in-tune with 'I' feeling is what is mentioned by Sri. Bhagavan in Ulladu Narpadhu verse:<br><br>"kuurndha madhiyaal pEcchu mUchu adakki koNdu uLLee aazhndariya veNDdum". <br><br>"கூர்ந்த மதியால் பேச்சு மூச்சு அடக்கி கொண்டு உள்ளே ஆழ்ந்தறிய வேண்டும்"<br><br>followed by <br><br>" 'naan aar ?' ena manamuL naadi uLam naNNavE naan aam avan thalai naaNamuRa, 'naan'-'naan' aa(ga)th thondrum ondru thaanaga'th " <br><br>" 'நான் யார்?' என மனமுள் நாடி உளம் நண்ணவே, நான் ஆம் அவன் தலை நாணமுற, 'நான்'-'நான்' ஆ(க)த் தோன்றும் ஒன்று தானாகத் "<br><br>which clearly indicates that Self-Effulgence is Self-initiated. <br><br>Sri. Saadhu Om's hint of Self-Inquiry and Self-Surrender being used as two legs to walk in Sri. Bhagavan's path and his advice to read/contemplate Ulladhu Narpadu verses are of immense help to any practitioner.<br><br>love..அவனடிமைhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08935368072820587336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-21138981241716413872010-11-17T09:07:06.654+05:302010-11-17T09:07:06.654+05:30NonduelEnquiry into the nature and source of the &...Nonduel<br><br>Enquiry into the nature and source of the 'I' requires that one should hold onto the 'I'-thought, excluding all other thoughts, and then allow that 'I'-thought to go back to where it originated. The search is done by following where the subsiding 'I'-thought leads, not by pre-supposing a destination and putting attention there.<br><br>It's 'enquiry' because it is an active search for the source. However, that 'enquiry', that 'search' is done by holding on to the subsiding 'I' and seeing where it leads, not by framing questions about it.<br><br>I like the analogy Bhagavan gave in Maharshi's Gospel, where he says that holding on to the 'I'-thought and following it to its source is like a dog tracing its master by his scent:<br><br><br>Bhagavan. Self-enquiry by following the clue of aham-vritti ['I'-thought] is just like the dog tracing its master by his scent. The master may be at some distant, unknown place, but that does not at all stand in the way of the dog tracing him. The master’s scent is an infallible clue for the animal, and nothing else, such as the dress he wears, or his build and stature etc., counts. The dog holds on to that scent undistractedly while searching for him, and finally it succeeds in tracing him.David Godmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-82272624797887764622010-11-17T09:07:06.401+05:302010-11-17T09:07:06.401+05:30No, I haven't checked. I just printed the inte...No, I haven't checked. I just printed the interview as I found it. I do know, though, that Sadhu Om enjoyed Ramlinga Swami's poetry. Personally, I don't find either prediction very persuasive. They are both too general.David Godmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-57935618117494503972010-11-17T09:07:05.580+05:302010-11-17T09:07:05.580+05:30This is what Bhagavan had to say about effort in e...This is what Bhagavan had to say about effort in enquiry leading to effortlessness:<br><br>D. - But you have often said that one must reject other thoughts when he begins the quest, but the thoughts are endless; if one thought is rejected, another comes and there seems to be no end at all. <br><br>M. - I do not say that you must go on rejecting thoughts. If you cling to yourself, say the I-thought, and when your interest keeps you to that single idea, other thoughts get rejected, automatically they vanish. <br><br>D. - And so rejection of thoughts is not necessary? <br><br>M. - No. It may be necessary for a time or for some. You fancy that there is no end if one goes on rejecting every thought when it rises. No. There is an end. If you are vigilant, and make a stern effort to reject every thought when it rises, you will soon find that you are going deeper and deeper into your own inner self, where there is no need for your effort to reject the thoughts. <br><br>D. - Then it is possible to be without effort, without strain! <br><br>M. - Not only that, it is impossible for you to make an effort beyond a certain extent. <br><br>D. - I want to be further enlightened. Should I try to make no effort at all? <br><br>M. - Here it is impossible for you to be without effort. When you go deeper, it is impossible for you to make any effort.<br><br>D. - Then I can dispense with outside help and by mine own effort get into the deeper truth by myself. <br><br>M. - True. But the very fact that you are possessed of the quest of the Self is a manifestation of the Divine Grace. It is effulgent in the Heart, the inner being, the Real Self. It draws you from within. You have to attempt to get in from without. Your attempt is Vichara (earnest-quest), the deep inner movement is Grace. That is why I say there is no real Vichara without Grace, nor is there Grace active for him who is without Vichara. Both are necessary. <br><br>Sat Darshana Bhashya<br><br>------------------<br><br>Apropos your other question, you can call your enquiry a success if you are not distracted by thoughts other than 'I'. Thoughts will still come, but if they fail to connect to other interesting thoughts which then sidetrack your attention, then you are doing wellDavid Godmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-2764591408912347372010-11-17T09:07:05.296+05:302010-11-17T09:07:05.296+05:30Dear Ravi: //I have converted this into mp3 format...Dear Ravi: //I have converted this into mp3 format in a single CD// - is it possible to post these mp3 files somewhere (for instance in mediafire.com) ? Appreicate in advance time & effort needed for this.அவனடிமைhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08935368072820587336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-77393970873667845902010-08-22T09:07:09.982+05:302010-08-22T09:07:09.982+05:30"Looking for God is like seeking a path in a ..."Looking for God is like seeking a path in a field of snow; if<br />there is no path and you are looking for one, walk across it and<br />there is your path." --Thomas MertonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-39515402448761512102010-08-22T00:22:17.911+05:302010-08-22T00:22:17.911+05:30s,
I quite go along with you.Yes,the expressions i...s,<br />I quite go along with you.Yes,the expressions in chaste Tamil have a spontaneous rapturous feeling about them-devoid of the 'intellectual' idea content.Thakur used to call it devotion that is not tinged with intellectual knowledge-hence that much purer and puissant in expression.<br />As for Ramesh,Yes all music can be rightly appreciated-however the real thing will reveal itself if one just recites the words of the compositions sans the music.One would soon discover that these do not make the grade.In any case they simply do not measure anywhere near the utterly sublime utterances of appar,sundarar,sambandar and manikkavachakar.The compositions of these great souls are a totally different league.<br />s,yes,Dharmapuram Swaminathan rendering is absolutely soulful-there may be more accomplished musicians equipped with better vocal chords-but the 'Bhava' is what matters.<br />How does it matter what one thinks of oneself as an 'Agnostic' or otherwise.Is there any doubt that whosoever is moved by these soulful compositions is a devotee or not?!!!<br />Namaskar.Ravihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-46281319043759946462010-08-21T18:02:39.172+05:302010-08-21T18:02:39.172+05:30Dear S,
I just want to share my experience regard...Dear S,<br /><br />I just want to share my experience regarding your post on Tiruvisappa. I was agnostic too, before the experience of the Truth. On a side note, just to be clear, I am enlightened but not yet liberated (as indicated by one of the David posts quoting "Papaji"). <br /><br />After the experience of the Truth and when I truly abide in the Self effortlessly (not able to do at all time), I experience the Grace of the Self. During those moments, the tears pour profusely that how this jeeva is so blessed. That is when supreme love towards God is truly experienced. As you could see in this quoted Tiruvisappa, the jeeva is exalting in Grace. <br /><br />I didn't show much interests towards Carnatic music before. Now, when I listen to "Karuna Jalathe" and other similar songs from Tyagaraja and other compositions , the grace is felt. Similarly, I could appreciate the longing for God, experiencing the grace, when I listen to many tamil movie love songs. The above sentence may sound crazy, the source of the songs doesn't matter as long as we could experience the presence of the ultimate source. <br /><br />Very few of the words or sentences of these tamil movie songs might sound irrelevant, but these songs truly fit for expressing love towards God.<br /><br />1. Partha Vizhi parthapadi poothu irrukka (Guna) - experiencing the grace<br /><br />2. Raasave unnai vida maaten (Aranmanai Kili) - The devotee wants to abide in the Self<br /><br />3. Ennaith thottu allikkonda mannan perum ennadi - The Self taken over Jeeva and the jeeva expresses the supreme love<br /><br />4. Engirundho azhaikum un geetham - The devotee struggle to abide in the Self<br /><br />5. Maniyae Manikuilay - Refer to charanam - eNNa inikkum nilayE inbam kodukkum kalayE - expressing supreme love<br /><br />6. En mael vizhundha mazhai thuLiyae (May Madam) - The jeeva wondering how do I miss this grace all this time and wonderful conversation between God and the devotee<br /><br />7. Kangal irandal unn kangal irandal(Subramaniyapuram) - Beautiful song wondering how the grace has entered inside the Jeeva. <br /><br />8. Kannalane enathu kannai (Bombay) - The jeeva expressing his feelings immediately after the first experience.<br /><br />Other songs include: Ennullae Ennullae Pala Minnal Ezhum Naeram, thendral vanthu theendum pothu enna vannamo manasila, oru vaarthai kaekka oru varusham kaathirundhen, Munpaniyaa Mudhal Mazhaiyaa among others.<br /><br />It is a mystical experience of jeeva expressing supreme love towards God.Ramesh Nagarajanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03341958226308531184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-22366691653623946212010-08-21T00:17:04.356+05:302010-08-21T00:17:04.356+05:30அவனடிமை ,
Uploading the songs may not comply with ...அவனடிமை ,<br />Uploading the songs may not comply with any copyright that may be associated with these songs.I checked the Ramananjali group website but did not find any downloads offered.<br />However it does have some interesting story about how smt Sulochana Natarajan got initiated into the Ramana Lahari.You may visit the site:<br />http://www.ramanamusic.com/publications.htm.<br /><br />Namaskar.Ravihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-90030931751573439962010-08-20T22:36:34.102+05:302010-08-20T22:36:34.102+05:30salutations to all:
nandu/ravi:
ஒளிவளர் விளக்கே உ...salutations to all:<br />nandu/ravi: <br />ஒளிவளர் விளக்கே உவப்பிலா ஒன்றே,<br />உணர்வுசூழ் கடந்ததோர் உணர்வே,<br />தெளிவளர் பளின்கின் திரள்மணிக் குன்றே,<br />சித்தத்துள் தித்திக்கும் தேனே,<br />அளிவளர் உள்ளத்து ஆனந்தக் கனியே<br />அம்பலம் ஆடரங் காக,<br />வெளிவளர் தெய்வக் கூத்துகந் தாயைத்<br />தொண்டனேன் விளம்புமா விளம்பே.<br />(from tiruvisappa - the whole of which is in praise of திருச்சிற்றம்பலம்)<br /><br />while i surely love the 'aruNAchala stutipanchakam, aNNAmalai veNbA etc.', it is the tEvAram compositions in exquisite தமிழ் that often leaves me in a 'vulnerable' state! (sort-of get lost!) tiruvAsagam, tirukkadaikkAppu, tiruvisaippa etc. etc.,, especially the rendition of dharmapuram svAminAthan (a renowned Odhuvar) are so wonderful that to call them 'beautiful' is an understatement! if this is the plight of a rank agnostic like me, with nearly no faith in 'god', then i wonder what this could do to the many in the blog (ravi/nandu/murali/ramprax etc.) who not only understand tamizh but also are endowed with a deep longing for 'god'!!!s.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-58266022414460409102010-08-20T20:54:17.382+05:302010-08-20T20:54:17.382+05:30Dear Ravi: //I have converted this into mp3 format...Dear Ravi: //I have converted this into mp3 format in a single CD// - is it possible to post these mp3 files somewhere (for instance in mediafire.com) ? Appreicate in advance time & effort needed for this.அவனடிமைhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08935368072820587336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-32178686126860179382010-08-20T12:06:27.181+05:302010-08-20T12:06:27.181+05:30Ah Ravi,
So I am not the only madman - I play Noc...Ah Ravi,<br /><br />So I am not the only madman - I play Nochur Venkataraman's discourses and the Tamil Parayanam non-stop in my car.<br /><br />As in Bhagavan's time, any doubt in the mind about a certain thing or situation gets an answer in the first ten minutes.Nandu Narasimhannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-58671252190746831482010-08-19T23:32:23.769+05:302010-08-19T23:32:23.769+05:30Shankar,
Enna vEndum enna vEndAm is a beautiful co...Shankar,<br />Enna vEndum enna vEndAm is a beautiful composition of Sri Sadhu Om-it is wonderfully sung by the ramananjali group lead by smt sulochana Natarajan.this song is set to music in Yaman KalyAn-a serene majestic raga and roopaka thAla.<br />Here is the song:<br />enna vEndum enna vEndAm enbathai ellAm<br />ennai vida nangaRindhOn emperumAnE(pallavi-Refrain)<br /><br />thannai vEndum anbar thanthai thAyum AnAnE<br />pinnai yAr pin pOga vEndum piLLaiyAm nAnE<br /><br />nAn ninaithathu eevathu enRAl jnAyam AgumA<br />ramanan ichchai anRi Ethum nalladhAguma<br /><br />thAn ninaithathu eevan kEtpOn dAsanAgumA<br />sarvamum aRinthOn seigai thappumAgumA<br />(ennakku enna vEndum)<br /><br />meaning:<br />What (I) want,What (I)don't want<br />All this<br />Better than I <br />knows He<br />My Lord.<br /><br />(To)The Devotees that want (desire) the self;<br />Father and mother is He.<br />Then Why go behind anyone;<br />Child am I(to him).<br /><br />All that I desire<br />To give-Is that just?<br />sans Ramanan's desire(desire for ramana) <br />is anything good?<br /><br />that which one desires;<br />The one who asks-<br />Is he a devotee?(dAsan)<br />The omniscient one's doing<br />can it be wrong?<br /><br />What I want,What I don't Want(Refrain)<br />-----------------------------------<br />Friend,I bought a set of 8 CDs(over 7 hours) of 'Ramana gitam' and the book(volume 1) of Sri Sadhu Om's Book of songs,with swara notation by smt sulochana Natarajan for a mere 300 Rs at sri Ramanasramam.I have converted this into mp3 format in a single CD and this has been playing non stop in my car stereo for the last 8 months.I have never felt like changing this CD yet!<br /><br />All the songs are quite simple in easy everday tamil-this is the beauty of swamigal's composition.They are a rich blend of jnana and sweet devotion.The singing is not disciplined by classical standards(apaswara is often there),yet there is no mistaking the involvement and a sense of capturing the spirit of the composition-all set to music by various music composers including Sri Swamigal and smt Sulochana Natarajan,ILayarAja and others.<br />Namaskar.Ravihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-19243985266233055042010-08-19T12:13:24.484+05:302010-08-19T12:13:24.484+05:30Need your help...Kindly send me Sadhu Om swamigal ...Need your help...Kindly send me <b>Sadhu Om swamigal song called <i>Enna vendum enna Vendom....</i></b>.<br />If you have the lyrics of this song, kindly send to my mail id, <b>shanka.kr@gmail.com</b> <br /><br />am much pleased of you.... Interview with Sadhu Om...is really good.... Bhagavan blessed Sadhu Om swamigal in high...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11116614710379307484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-46062210883211569442009-12-20T04:41:15.268+05:302009-12-20T04:41:15.268+05:30I have no words to describe my feelings toward Bha...I have no words to describe my feelings toward Bhagavan. All I can say is:<br /><br />'Bhagavan, there was never one more beautiful than you.'Duart Macleanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191022652072531310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-72706079860331705402009-07-12T14:10:48.372+05:302009-07-12T14:10:48.372+05:30avanidimai: apropos your posting on 14th aug: if u...avanidimai: apropos your posting on 14th aug: if understanding is correct that silence which comes after 'who am I' is it the Truth, our Self? If so, then, as our vasanas weaken there is more and more abiding in the silence and finally complete collapse of ego into it. Makes me realise the directness and the easy of Bhagwan's approach.kandhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16538689621970133886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-18097994346247926022008-08-25T11:45:00.000+05:302008-08-25T11:45:00.000+05:30Vijayan said... Dear David/others, I am inde...Vijayan said...<BR/><BR/> Dear David/others,<BR/><BR/> I am indeed lucky to have discovered this blog.<BR/><BR/> My question is regarding the "I" thought. In my experience searching for the source of the "I" thought ends in "being" the "I" thought without a subject-object relationship. I wonder if that is the limit of effort. Can any further effort be made?<BR/><BR/> Also, in my experience, Ramana Maharshi's "I-I" seems closer to the truth than Nisargadatta's "I am". "I am" seems suseptible to contamination by other thoughts. I suspect both are the same.<BR/><BR/> Any comments are welcome.<BR/><BR/><BR/>If you have truly reached the state of being, and can remain there, then effort is no longer required, or even possible. Effort will only be required when one recollects that attention has strayed from it to something else.<BR/><BR/>Here are two quotes from Bhagavan on 'I-I' and 'I am'. I think he is essentially describing the same thing:<BR/><BR/>It is the very nature of the Atma-swarupa consciousness that remains forever as the soul of the soul in the Heart to shine as ‘I-I’. This shining of natural awareness is the inner meaning of the statement that God, the Self, which itself becomes the Guru, unceasingly and directly transmits jnana-upadesa to the true disciples, the mature jivas. (Guru Vachaka Kovai verse 504)<BR/><BR/>Bhagavan: Jnana is given neither from outside nor from another person. It can be realised by each and everyone in his own Heart. The jnana-Guru of everyone is only the supreme Self that is always revealing its own truth in every Heart through the existence-consciousness ‘I am, I am’. (Sri Ramana Darsanam, p. 38)David Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-51230259856309764972008-08-24T10:29:00.000+05:302008-08-24T10:29:00.000+05:30Dear David/others,I am indeed lucky to have discov...Dear David/others,<BR/><BR/>I am indeed lucky to have discovered this blog.<BR/><BR/>My question is regarding the "I" thought. In my experience seaaching for the source of the "I" thought ends in "being" the "I" thought without a subject-object relationship. I wonder if that is the limit of effort. Can any further effort be made?<BR/><BR/>Also, in my experience, Ramana Maharshi's "I-I" seems closer to the truth than Nisargadatta's "I am". "I am" seems suseptible to contamination by other thoughts. I suspect both are the same.<BR/><BR/>Any comments are welcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-11500585198733657222008-08-23T07:26:00.000+05:302008-08-23T07:26:00.000+05:30அவனடிமை said... Dear David: Can the other po...அவனடிமை said...<BR/><BR/> Dear David:<BR/><BR/> Can the other possible posts/info from the English magazine Arunachala Ramana be shared here when you get a chance ?<BR/><BR/>I will look again to see what I can find. Much of the material there has already appeared in other books, and some of the remainder is of dubious validity.David Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.com