tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post1169980148158510853..comments2024-03-20T13:24:11.422+05:30Comments on Arunachala and Ramana Maharshi: Guhai Namasivaya book: an updateDavid Godmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-65437943956486211262010-08-18T16:26:41.068+05:302010-08-18T16:26:41.068+05:30This is nice blog and post<a href="http://money-maker-4free.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">This is</a> <a href="http://free-offshore.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">nice</a> <a href="http://allmoviesstreaming.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">blog and</a> <a href="http://comedystreaming.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">post</a>Aniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571619275450524704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-42841636844734967202010-07-11T17:29:00.598+05:302010-07-11T17:29:00.598+05:30Nice to see your dedication and focus on the teach...Nice to see your dedication and focus on the teachings of Ramana Maharshi.<br /><br />BestVSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-25955092655432379232010-05-21T12:25:58.226+05:302010-05-21T12:25:58.226+05:30What is thought?
This is something I'd like t...What is thought?<br /><br />This is something I'd like to propose to every psychiatrist. I had one fellow tell me he had a drug for every thought. But he didn't know the definition of thought. So he didn't know the definition of sanity.<br /><br /> What is mind? What are its limits, its dimensions?<br /><br /> What are we implying when we say, "I think"?<br /><br /> Is thought a possession, or an obsession?<br /><br /> Does a man think, or is he a thought?<br />Richard RoseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-39853878447304059242010-05-21T07:33:47.700+05:302010-05-21T07:33:47.700+05:30Friends,
"it should be remembered that there ...Friends,<br />"it should be remembered that there is a long tradition in Tamil devotional poetry of enlightened saints feigning unenlightenment and asking for God’s help to move them out of that state. Bhagavan, in Aksharamanamalai, written more than fifteen years after his realisation, followed this tradition by alternating between verses that proclaimed his union with Arunachala and verses in which he lamented his separation and asked for grace."<br /><br />This is not just a Tradition;still less this is something that is limited only to Tamil Language.<br />All Great Devotees(Jnanis)have expressed this,including Sri Ramakrishna.<br />There is simply no problem in accepting it as an expression of utter dependency of the soul on God.<br />There is no need to Rationalize this as 'Feigning'-No Sage said-'I am a Realized Being;I am only pretending to be helpless'.The 'idea' of 'Feigning' is much more rooted in Ego than the feeling of'helplessness'.<br />In fact Akshara Mana Maalai is the Only Great outpouring that even Sri Bhagavan did not 'interpret' and instead advised seekers to approach it according to their understanding.<br />-----------------------------------<br /><br />Namaskar.Ravihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-9803893073858266832010-05-21T07:00:26.520+05:302010-05-21T07:00:26.520+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.Ravihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-16439676654274182332010-05-20T23:26:51.960+05:302010-05-20T23:26:51.960+05:30But I wonder if it's just a Tamil style, or so...But I wonder if it's just a Tamil style, or something inherent in Realization. Because the ego has been made nothing, right? So, the sage has humbled themselves to the point that there is nothing left of themselves, so it almost makes sense that there would be utter self-deprecation. I guess, I'm wondering, is it necessarily completely insincere? Or just a tool of instruction? Or maybe a statement of total worship of the state they now know themselves to be. But on the other hand, there was something kind of mischevious in taht quote in Day by Day.Losing M. Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08593870441560584967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-17704272970374504432010-05-20T14:53:39.314+05:302010-05-20T14:53:39.314+05:30The Tamil tradition is that even
the self realized...The Tamil tradition is that even<br />the self realized person cries in<br />his songs that he is wasting his time and he has not attained the goal. Saint Manikkavachagar (who<br />according to Bhagavan has realized<br />even in his first song) says much<br />later in his Tiruvachakam: "I do not know how to attain You, how to attain Your home. I do not know the path. However, as a blind cow goes behind another cow (with eyes<br />clear), which makes sound Ammaa... (that is merely by going behind the realized persons, without oneself) knowing path, I shall attain You.Subramanian. Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503810836611357841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-26332015696878170532010-05-20T09:57:04.451+05:302010-05-20T09:57:04.451+05:30This reminds me of something I read somewhere the ...This reminds me of something I read somewhere the other day. A <br />child was asked "how do you know if someone loves you?" to which <br />(s)he responded, <br /><br />"I know by the way they say my name." <br />hjAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-15665171313662988352010-05-19T02:09:40.400+05:302010-05-19T02:09:40.400+05:30"The verses in which they beg for forgiveness..."The verses in which they beg for forgiveness or grace seem to indicate an unenlightened perspective, but it should be remembered that there is a long tradition in Tamil devotional poetry of enlightened saints feigning unenlightenment and asking for God’s help to move them out of that state."<br /><br />I was reading in Day by Day a devotee asking Maharshi about why he begged for grace in the Arunachala verses, and he just smiled knowingly. But then a few minutes later said that they were written in 1914-1915, while his Realization took place a while before that. I thought kind of humorously admitting to feigning needing to beg for grace. A little mischevious. So in that section of Day by Day, he was explicitly acknowledging this.Losing M. Mindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08593870441560584967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-91920945703466607692010-05-13T18:42:17.630+05:302010-05-13T18:42:17.630+05:30I tried searching on google. Google comes up with ...I tried searching on google. Google comes up with this link about Velaiya Tesikar (not Velaiyar Swamigal), mentioning that he did indeed compose 'Namasivaya Lilai':<br /><br />http://books.google.co.in/books?id=9apJp9hzy1cC&pg=PA7461&lpg=PA7461&dq=Kalatti+Puranam&source=bl&ots=jcYd4nZzMe&sig=iwM00aiCHyktAZZexzCUIrqnGAM&hl=en&ei=ZrbrS9bwEpTstAOqtrDmDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Kalatti%20Puranam&f=false<br /><br />It says that he was born in Kancheepuram. Maybe the Sankara Mutt there would have more information on him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-18123308831761506912010-05-13T15:26:39.640+05:302010-05-13T15:26:39.640+05:30Thanks for your continuing efforts.
The figure of...Thanks for your continuing efforts.<br /><br />The figure of 642 comes from the verse that Bhagavan may have composed. It appears the end of the manuscript we are working from. That number includes the 100 verses of Sonagiri Malai, which are not in the notebook (or anywhere else). That is why I mentioned that we were translating about 550 verses: 542, plus some invocatory verses which may not be by Guhai Namsivaya.<br /><br />If you know anyone who chants these missing verses every day, please ask him or her to write them down for us.David Godmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354181925332694222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3961358105214008284.post-47163914049071000592010-05-13T13:49:41.278+05:302010-05-13T13:49:41.278+05:30Dear David,
It is quite pleasing to note your
pro...Dear David,<br /><br />It is quite pleasing to note your<br />proposed English rendering of Guhai<br />Namasivaya's poems. I am still<br />searching for the last mentioned works in your post. I went to T'malai for 10th to 12th Aradhanai<br />function and there one morning, I went to Dr. Sambandhan a Tamil bookshop owner, at the Eastern Towers of Big Temple. To my ill-luck, I could not meet him since he was away from town. The<br />book on Tamil original verses brought by Sri Ramanasramam, in<br />2003, is an excellent publication and they also confirm that the Asramam Archives do not have the Sonagiri Maalai Venba. You should be aware of all the Archives stocks. I shall continue my search, with Bhagavan in my heart. Normally 642 verses are<br />chanted everyday as part of Siva puja by devotees and the verse giving this information is said to have been composed by Bhagavan.<br />I am once again expressing my happiness to your proposal to bring out English translation with special comments.Subramanian. Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503810836611357841noreply@blogger.com